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obviously he's trying to show the world what a pious baptist he is.
you are funny michaelangelo. ;-) LhOL h= hard. answred you im today but you had gone-- call tomorrow.
i can't really tell what he's trying to do. the narrative of his experience was cool. but his closing remarks bothered me. i mean, if they're both truly hearing from God (and Piper even acknowledged he thought this other guy was), aren't they on the same team?
seems to me that it's the moves like this that create such divisions within the Body of Christ. instead of rejoicing with a brother when they encounter God, they're met with judgment and one-upping.
i've been pondering these issues of disunity lately. i'm writing an opinion piece for our paper over here about The Great (Lexington Avenue) Divide, and about how it's time for us to bridge the gap. anything you'd like to share with the collegians?
re: the so-called "great divide." every time we even speak those words it gives it power. i have moved to a position of choosing not to speak of division but rather to work for unity in quiet and almost hidden ways. unity is not speech it is action. glad you are writing the piece. can't wait to see it.
Yeah Michael, perhaps he's affraid all of those "other words" could lead to dancing :)
you farmstrong peeps-- be kind-- john p. is actually a friend of mine.
I don't think that John Piper meant for these words to be divisive in any way. He is simply emphasizing the importance of scripture because it seems to him that others are diminishing its importance.
the first half of the article moved the bible from an object to a person by connecting it to the god of creation and redemption. the second half moved the bible from object to a person by connecting it to the holy spirit who speaks with our spirit to witness to him.
how might John 5.39-40 relate to this conversation: You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
I think it's great that he's sharing the words, though I'm not such a big fan of the commentary. I very much believe in (and have experienced) God speaking to me powerfully in the way John describes--and I have had Bible verses strike me with the same power. The real thing I wish he had mentioned was not how real and authentic the voice of God FELT but how do we know it is of God? Maybe a little bit on discernment of the spirit would have been wise.
And while I think John is quite good at thinking things through, I also think this kind of revelation, unless otherwise specified, might be a good idea to keep private and ponder before sharing with others. Taking a cue from mary, who ponders the words of the angel in her heart before getting them published in the gospel.
Just some immediate thoughts.
I don't really see what good can, or did come, from Piper belittling or criticizing the other person's experience in hearing God. His article comes across as saying,"Well I heard the voice of God and I'm not hiding it by writing anonymously, yet I will criticize this other person who felt the need to write anonymously."
Kinda cheapens the message. I admire Piper's passion, but sometimes he comes off as shrill.
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